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    Challenges→God can effectively guarantee the salvation of all sinners without ever interfering with anyone's libertarian freedom.

    The coin-toss analogy fails because coin tosses are causally independent across trials, whereas a persistent refuser's character may become increasingly entrenched with each successive rejection.

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    • 1.Repeated rejection of moral demands creates habituation: each refusal makes future refusal psychologically easier through reinforcement.
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    • 2.Character is constituted by patterns of choice over time; persistent refusal literally shapes what kind of person one becomes.
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    • 3.Coin tosses have no memory or feedback mechanism, while human psychology exhibits path-dependency where prior states causally influence future states.
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    • 1.Even if character becomes entrenched, each moment of choice remains causally independent—past entrenchment is just a prior condition, not causal determination.
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    • 2.The analogy's strength lies in probabilistic independence per trial, not physical mechanism; character entrenchment doesn't eliminate genuine alternative possibilities.
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    • 3.If entrenchment eliminates responsibility, it proves too much: all character is formed by prior causes, making responsibility impossible for anyone, anywhere.
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    Key Terms

    Character (in philosophy)(A person's character can change and become more fixed based on their repeated choices)
    A person's habits, tendencies, and patterns of behavior that make them who they are—basically their personality and how they typically act.
    analogy(Contrasted with homology, which concerns correspondence due to common ancestry.)
    A relation based on functional similarity between structures, which can occur despite different evolutionary origins.
    causally independent(describing the relationship between the pursuer's choice and the fugitive's die roll)
    When two things happen completely separately from each other, so one thing has no effect on whether the other happens.
    entrenched(constitutional theory)
    A feature of constitutions whereby their provisions are difficult to change or remove, in contrast to ordinary laws which can be amended or repealed with minimal effort

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