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    The divine nature is not absolutely identical to any of t... — Carmelics
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    The divine nature is not absolutely identical to any of the three divine persons

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    • 1.The divine nature is a simple substance and a property, not a hylomorphic compound
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    • 2.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are hylomorphic compounds, not simple substances
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    • 3.A simple substance and a compound substance are not identical
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    • 1.For Augustine and Aquinas, God is absolutely simple, meaning the divine nature, existence, and persons cannot be really distinct ontological items.
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    • 2.If the divine nature were non-identical to the persons, this would introduce a real distinction in God, violating divine simplicity as classically formulated.
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    • 3.Classical theism therefore requires that each person just is the divine nature, making absolute identity, not non-identity, the theologically orthodox position.
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    • 1.Relative identity theorists like Peter Geach hold that identity statements are always sortal-relative, not absolute.
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    • 2.If identity is always relative to a kind, then 'the Father is the same God as the divine nature' can be true without entailing numerical absolute identity.
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    • 3.The supporting argument's conclusion that non-identity follows from hylomorphic distinctions presupposes absolute identity theory, which relative identity theory coherently denies.
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    There would seem to be seven realities here, none of which is (absolutely) identical to any of the others. Four of them are properties: the divine nature (d), being unbegotten (u), being begotten (b), and proceeding (p). Three are hylomorphic (form-matter) compounds: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (f, s, h)–each with the property d playing the role of matter within it, and each having its own additional property (respectively: u, b, and p) playing the role of form within it. Each of these compound
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