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    The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are to be counted as one... — Carmelics
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    The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are to be counted as one God

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    • 1.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are hylomorphic compounds each sharing one and the same divine nature as their matter
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    • 2.Numerical unity of God is grounded in there being only one divine nature shared among the three compounds
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    • 1.Numerical identity requires indiscernibility: if x and y share all properties, they are one; the persons differ in relational properties (begetting, proceeding).
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    • 2.Leibniz's Law entails that entities with distinct properties cannot be numerically identical, making three distinct persons three distinct gods.
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    • 1.In Aristotelian hylomorphism, matter is the principle of individuation, so three distinct compounds with the same form but different individuating matter constitute three numerically distinct substances.
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    • 2.If the divine nature functions as shared matter among three hypostases, the analogy yields tritheism, as three bronze statues sharing the same bronze type remain three distinct objects.
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    There would seem to be seven realities here, none of which is (absolutely) identical to any of the others. Four of them are properties: the divine nature (d), being unbegotten (u), being begotten (b), and proceeding (p). Three are hylomorphic (form-matter) compounds: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (f, s, h)–each with the property d playing the role of matter within it, and each having its own additional property (respectively: u, b, and p) playing the role of form within it. Each of these compound
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