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    It is not the case that The God-creature relation must be internal to God.

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    • 1.A relation can be real and asymmetric: internal to one relatum while external to the other, as Aquinas argued for the God-world relation.
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    • 2.If the God-creature relation is external to creatures but internal to God, no further inclusive entity is required to contain it.
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    • 1.Classical theists like Aquinas hold that God's relation to creation is a 'logical relation' or Cambridge relation, not a real intrinsic modification of God.
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    • 2.A merely rational relation in God entails no real internal change in the divine nature, undermining the Hartshornean inference from relationality to internality.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.If the relation of God (the absolute) to the world fell outside God, that relation would necessarily fall within some further, more inclusive entity that embraced both God, the world, and the relations between them.
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    • 2.There cannot be something greater or more inclusive than God.
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