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The legislator must persuade new citizens by non-rational means.

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1.New citizens at first lack the capacity to discern the good reasons that support the new laws.
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2.The legislator must still move them to legislate in their own best interests.
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1.Habermas argues that legitimate political authority requires communicative rationality, not manipulation, even at the founding moment.
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2.If citizens can be moved by non-rational means at founding, this establishes a precedent that undermines rational consent as the basis of legitimacy.
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1.Kant's account of publicity holds that any maxim of governance that cannot withstand open rational scrutiny is itself unjust.
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2.Rousseau's legislator conceals the human origins of law behind divine authority, which fails Kant's publicity test and corrupts the social contract from its inception.
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The Social Contract harbors a further tension between two accounts of how the general will emerges and its relation to the private wills of citizens. Sometimes Rousseau favors a procedural story according to which the individual contemplation of self interest (subject to the constraints of generality and universality and under propitious sociological background conditions such as rough equality and cultural similarity) will result in the emergence of the general will from the assembly of citizen

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