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    The pantheistic deity in its own being lies beyond good a... — Carmelics
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    The pantheistic deity in its own being lies beyond good and evil.

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    • 1.A universe containing both good and bad values cannot itself possess either value.
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    • 2.If pantheism is to preserve the distinction between good and evil, it must deny that the pantheistic whole itself instantiates either.
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    • 1.Spinoza's God-or-Nature (Deus sive Natura) expresses infinite attributes, and goodness can be a modal expression of divine power rather than a predicate imposed from outside.
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    • 2.If the pantheistic whole is the ground of all being, moral goodness as a feature of finite modes still flows necessarily from divine nature, making the whole implicitly value-laden.
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    • 3.A whole that necessarily produces and sustains good-bearing entities cannot be axiologically neutral, as productive causation transmits relevant properties to effects.
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    • 1.The argument from P1 commits a mereological fallacy: that a whole containing opposites lacks both properties is false, since oceans are wet despite containing dry regions.
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    • 2.On panentheistic and process theology accounts (Whitehead, Hartshorne), God genuinely lures the world toward beauty and goodness, making divine moral orientation constitutive rather than absent.
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    Historically one of the strongest and most persistent objections to pantheism is that, because of its all-encompassing nature, it seems inhospitable to the differentiations of value that characterise life. In what might be thought of as a pantheistic version of the problem of evil, it is challenged that if God includes everything and God is perfect or good, then everything which exists ought to be perfect or good; a conclusion which seems wholly counter to our common experience that much in the
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