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    • 1.The perfect nature is the ultimate truth of the dharmas
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    • 2.The ultimate truth of the dharmas is reality (tathatā)
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    • 3.Reality as mere-consciousness holds all the time without exception
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    • 1.The perfect nature (pariniṣpanna) in Yogācāra denotes the absence of the imagined nature projected onto dependent nature, not consciousness itself.
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    • 2.Vasubandhu's Triṃśikā distinguishes perfect nature as the eternal absence of subject-object duality, which is a negation, not a positive mental substance.
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    • 3.Identifying a negation (the absence of false superimposition) with a positive entity (mere-consciousness) commits a category error between privation and substance.
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    • 1.Candrakīrti's Madhyamakāvatāra argues that positing consciousness as ultimately real reinstates a subtle form of svabhāva, contradicting the emptiness of all dharmas including mind.
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    • 2.If mere-consciousness were the perfect nature and thus ultimate truth, consciousness would possess intrinsic existence, which Prāsaṅgika Mādhyamikas systematically refute as incoherent.
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    Vasubandhu defines the perfect nature as the ultimate truth and identifies it with mere-consciousness. “This is the ultimate (paramārtha) of the dharmas, and so it is the reality (tathatā) too. Because its reality is like this all the time, it is mere consciousness.” (Triṃ 25, Sems tsam shi 3b) Accordingly Sthiramati’s Commentary on the Thirty Verses (Triṃśikābhāṣya [TriṃB], Sems tsam shi 146b–171b), explains “ultimate” (paramārtha) here as referring to “’ world-transcending knowledge’ (lokottar
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