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    The saints in heaven have free will. — Carmelics
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    The saints in heaven have free will.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.The saints in heaven have freely chosen their own moral character.
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    • 2.A character that is libertarian freely chosen is the only kind of character that can determine compatibilist free choices.
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    • 1.Libertarian free will requires the ability to do otherwise, but saints in heaven are confirmed in grace and cannot sin.
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    • 2.A will structurally incapable of choosing evil lacks the alternative possibilities required for libertarian freedom.
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    • 3.Therefore the libertarian-chosen character argument cannot ground genuine libertarian freedom in heaven.
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    • 1.Aquinas held that the blessed in heaven see God through the beatific vision and are thereby necessitated to will the good.
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    • 2.A will necessitated toward its object by direct intellectual apprehension of infinite goodness is not acting from compatibilist self-determination but from rational compulsion.
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    • 3.Heavenly freedom thus collapses into a form of theological determinism incompatible with either libertarian or robust compatibilist accounts.
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    It would be unfair, however, to imply that all Augustinians, as classified above, accept Augustine’s own understanding of an eternal torture chamber. For many Augustinians view the agony of hell as essentially psychological and spiritual in nature, consisting of the knowledge that every possibility for joy and happiness has been lost forever. Hell, as they see it, is thus a condition in which self-loathing, hatred of others, hopelessness, and infinite despair consumes the soul like a metaphorical fire. Still, virtually all Augustinians agree with Jonathan Edwards concerning this: whatever the ...

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