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    It is not the case that The sun can be called an 'idea of the sun' without the idea being a separate entity distinct from the perception itself

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    • 1.Malebranche's representationalist account holds that ideas must be ontologically distinct objects in God's mind to explain universal and necessary cognition.
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    • 2.If the sun-idea just is the perceptual mode, then two minds perceiving the sun have numerically distinct ideas, undermining any shared epistemic access to the same object.
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    • 3.Extrinsic denomination cannot ground intentionality without a real relatum: the 'of-ness' in 'idea of the sun' requires a mediating entity beyond the mental act itself.
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    • 1.Descartes in the Third Meditation distinguishes formal reality (the mode of the idea) from objective reality (the represented content), treating these as genuinely separable properties.
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    • 2.Arnauld's collapse of idea into perception cannot account for the asymmetric causal requirement that ideas with greater objective reality demand causes of proportionally greater formal reality.
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    • 3.Without a distinct ideational entity carrying objective reality, Descartes's causal argument for God's existence loses its structural premise and becomes invalid.
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    • 1.The perception of the sun is a real mode of thinking that essentially makes the sun present to the mind
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    • 2.The sun deserves the extrinsic denomination 'idea of the sun' in virtue of this perception
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