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    The term "lake of fire" and "torment day and night foreve... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever
    Supports→The NT langauge requires us to conclude that God will make the wicked immortal so they can be tortured forever

    The term "lake of fire" and "torment day and night forever and ever" as used in Revelation 20 supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    • 1.Revelation 20:15 states that 'anyone not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire,' applying the same lake to humans.
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    • 2.The lake of fire is textually unified across Revelation 20: its nature is defined by verses 10's 'torment day and night forever and ever.'
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    • 3.Contextual unity within a single pericope requires that shared referents (the lake) carry consistent semantic content across all subjects cast into it.
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    • 1.Greco-Roman rhetorical convention, evident in apocalyptic literature, uses paradigmatic examples to define the nature of a punishment class, not to limit its scope.
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    • 2.Satan and the beast function as archetypal exemplars whose fate defines the eschatological category, following the Augustinian principle in City of God Book 21 that the wicked share the demons' eternal punishment.
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    • 3.If the paradigm case establishes eternal torment for supernatural beings cast into the lake, the same ontological fate applies to all subjects of that category by analogical extension.
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    • The "torment day and night forever and ever" only references a false prophet and Satan, not human damned
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    • If the above is true, then it is not the case that the term "lake of fire" as used in Revelation 20 supports eternal punishment
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    • The "torment day and night forever and ever" only references a false prophet and Satan, not human damned
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    • If the above is true, then it is not the case that the term "lake of fire" as used in Revelation 20 supports eternal punishment
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    Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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