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    Time is unreal (does not exist). — Carmelics
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    Time is unreal (does not exist).

    Afterlife & Death
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    • 1.There exist solutions to Einstein's Field Equations that permit the existence of closed timelike curves.
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    • 2.Spacetimes with closed timelike curves do not contain a temporal dimension, because time only exists if there is genuine passage of time, and there cannot be genuine passage of time in such worlds.
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    • 3.If time does not pass in those possible worlds, this suggests that time does not pass in the actual world either.
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    • 1.The existence of closed timelike curves in some solutions to Einstein's Field Equations does not entail that time is absent; it entails that time has unusual topology.
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    • 2.Gödel himself, who discovered rotating universe solutions with CTCs, concluded not that time is unreal but that objective lapse of time is physically relative, a weaker claim.
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    • 3.Inferring that time is unreal in the actual world from exotic features of non-actual spacetime models commits a modal fallacy: possibility of timeless worlds does not establish actuality of timelessness.
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    • 1.McTaggart's B-series, which orders events by permanent earlier-than/later-than relations, constitutes a coherent and empirically adequate conception of time without requiring passage.
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    • 2.If time exists as a B-series dimension—as defended by Russell, Mellor, and Price—then P4's conditional 'if time does not pass, it does not exist' is simply false.
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    • 3.The conflation of 'time passes' with 'time exists' begs the question against the well-established tenseless theory of time dominant in analytic philosophy of physics.
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    Afterlife & Death

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    Truth & Knowledge1 linkedModality & Possibility1 linked
    Nothing is unreal (although something may not exist)

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    Spacetimes with closed timelike curves do not contain a temporal dimension, beca...
    The conflation of 'time passes' with 'time exists' begs the question against the...
    The existence of closed timelike curves in some solutions to Einstein's Field Eq...
    There exist solutions to Einstein's Field Equations that permit the existence of...