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    We cannot know what deity will be like when deity emerges. — Carmelics
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    We cannot know what deity will be like when deity emerges.

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    • 1.In Alexander's hierarchy, things can think only about things below themselves in the complexity hierarchy.
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    • 2.Deity is above mind in the hierarchy.
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    • 3.Humans exist at the mind level and so cannot think about what is above mind.
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    • 1.Alexander's hierarchy entails that lower levels can possess structural or formal knowledge about higher levels without possessing their intrinsic qualities.
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    • 2.Formal knowledge of deity's relational properties and necessary conditions is sufficient to yield substantive predictive content about emergent deity.
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    • 3.Therefore, the epistemic barrier Alexander posits blocks acquaintance-knowledge but not propositional knowledge of deity's character.
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    • 1.Hegel's dialectical logic demonstrates that reason can comprehend its own supersession by tracing the immanent contradictions that drive development toward higher stages.
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    • 2.If deity emerges from mind through determinate logical or natural necessity, then mind can know the structure of that necessity even without fully instantiating the higher level.
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    • 3.Kant's regulative use of ideas shows that cognition can orient itself toward conditions that transcend current experience without collapsing into mere ignorance.
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    In the middle, between the theistic dualisms and the pantheisms, stand the merotheisms and the panentheisms (two general kinds of models, 16 and 17, again, species coming). As indicated above, the merotheisms are rare, the “odd bird” idea that God is in the world, but the world goes beyond God. Though the term “merotheism” was coined only recently by Paul Draper for his own view (2019: 160), merotheisms have been around well before, for example, in divine emergence theories such as Samuel Alexan
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    In Alexander's hierarchy, things can think only about things below themselves in...
    Kant's regulative use of ideas shows that cognition can orient itself toward con...
    Therefore, the epistemic barrier Alexander posits blocks acquaintance-knowledge ...
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