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    Sophocles

    Sophocles

    ancientGreek Tragedy

    -496 – -406

    Sophocles was an ancient Greek tragedian, one of the three great Athenian dramatists alongside Aeschylus and Euripides. He wrote over 120 plays, of which seven complete tragedies survive, and profoundly shaped the development of Western drama through innovations in theatrical form and his exploration of fate, moral responsibility, and human suffering.

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    Notable Achievements

    1

    Wrote Oedipus Rex, considered the pinnacle of Greek tragedy by Aristotle

    2

    Introduced the third actor to Greek drama, expanding dramatic possibilities

    3

    Won at least 18 victories at the City Dionysia festival

    4

    Wrote Antigone, a foundational text for debates on civil disobedience and natural law

    5

    Reduced the role of the chorus to emphasize individual character and dialogue

    Positions & Arguments

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    Aesthetics

    premise

    The nature available to Sophocles (Greek world, customs, religion, political conditions) differs from the nature available to Shakespeare (his own historical world, customs, language, traditions).

    claim

    Shakespeare's drama was necessarily different from Sophocles' drama because the historical, political, religious, and cultural conditions Shakespeare inhabited had fundamentally changed from those of ancient Greece.

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    Drama must truthfully represent the world available to the dramatist.

    premise

    Modern cultural and theatrical conditions differ substantially from those of ancient Greece.

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    The best art of different times and places must differ superficially because at the deepest level all great art is committed to the same principle—the truthful imitation of nature—but has different natures to imitate.

    premise

    Artistic conventions are natural when they match the conditions—worldview, customs, political structures, religion—of the culture that produced them.

    premise

    The Greek world of view, customs, republican politics, heroic traditions, religion, music, and expression changed substantially by Shakespeare's time.

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    The dramatic unities of time, place, and action were not artificial constraints for the Greeks, though they would be artificial for modern dramatists.

    premise

    The unities of time, place, and action matched Greek cultural and theatrical conditions.

    premise

    Doing the same thing (truthfully representing one's own world) in different worlds necessarily produces different-looking results.

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    Shakespeare was doing fundamentally the same thing as Sophocles despite producing superficially different drama.

    premise

    The theater of Sophocles and the theater of Shakespeare are both committed to the truthful imitation of nature.

    premise

    Shakespeare created drama out of his own world's history, spirit of the age, customs, views, language, national attitudes, traditions, and pastimes.

    premise

    Shakespeare, unlike the French classicists, was committed to representing his own world truthfully rather than imitating Greek forms artificially.

    premise

    Sophocles created drama out of his own world's history, customs, traditions, and spirit.

    premise

    Truthful representation of different natures necessarily produces superficially different art forms.

    Truth & Knowledge

    premise

    Drama must truthfully represent the world available to the dramatist.

    claim

    The best art of different times and places must differ superficially because at the deepest level all great art is committed to the same principle—the truthful imitation of nature—but has different natures to imitate.

    premise

    Doing the same thing (truthfully representing one's own world) in different worlds necessarily produces different-looking results.

    claim

    Shakespeare was doing fundamentally the same thing as Sophocles despite producing superficially different drama.

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    Aesthetics16
    Truth & Knowledge5

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    premise

    The theater of Sophocles and the theater of Shakespeare are both committed to the truthful imitation of nature.