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    A complete triumph over evil may be unfeasible for God no... — Carmelics
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    A complete triumph over evil may be unfeasible for God no matter what divine actions are taken.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Because of free will, history includes an element of irreducible tragedy.
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    • 2.If fewer people were damned to hell, then fewer people would have been saved as well.
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    • 1.An omnipotent God is not constrained by logical possibilities that derive merely from contingent features of created freedom.
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    • 2.Alvin Plantinga's own free will defense concedes God could create beings who always freely choose good, making universal salvation logically coherent.
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    • 3.If universal salvation is logically possible, then a perfectly good omnipotent God's failure to achieve it requires stronger justification than appeals to creaturely freedom.
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    • 1.Thomas Talbott argues that any rational agent with full knowledge of consequences would ultimately choose union with God over permanent separation.
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    • 2.If post-mortem corrective experience can bring rational agents to freely choose good, God's triumph over evil remains feasible without violating libertarian freedom.
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    • 3.The claim that fewer saved entails fewer damned commits a false dichotomy by ignoring universalist eschatologies where freedom and complete redemption are compatible.
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    As this passage illustrates, Craig accepts at least the possibility that, because of free will, history includes an element of irreducible tragedy; he even accepts the possibility that if fewer people were damned to hell, then fewer people would have been saved as well. So perhaps God knows from the outset that a complete triumph over evil is unfeasible no matter what divine actions might be taken; as a result, God merely tries to minimize the defeat, to cut the losses, and in the process to fill heaven with more saints than otherwise would have been feasible. (For a critique of this reply, se...

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