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    A doctrine of processions must be retained in trinitarian... — Carmelics
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    A doctrine of processions must be retained in trinitarian theology.

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    • 1.The doctrine of processions enjoys significant support from scripture.
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    • 2.It is awkward to accept the main results of the ancient trinitarian controversy while thinking that the developmental process had at its heart a fundamentally wrong assumption, namely that the Son and Spirit exist because of the Father.
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    • 1.Social trinitarians like Cornelius Plantinga and Richard Swinburne ground trinitarian relations in mutual love and will, not ontological derivation.
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    • 2.If three divine persons can be genuinely unified through relational properties without causal asymmetry, processions become theologically dispensable.
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    • 3.Retaining processions risks subordinationism, since a Son who exists *because of* the Father occupies a structurally derivative ontological status.
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    • 1.The scriptural texts cited for processions (John 15:26, Proverbs 8) are exegetically contested and were themselves shaped by pre-Nicene subordinationist frameworks.
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    • 2.Accepting the results of Nicene controversy does not require accepting its generative assumptions, since councils often reached sound conclusions via flawed metaphysical premises.
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    • 3.The awkwardness Hasker identifies in rejecting processions is historical embarrassment, not a positive theological reason to retain a potentially incoherent doctrine.
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    Hasker, Chapters 22–5
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    For Hasker, the Persons of the Trinity are three divine selves (Chapters 22–5). Against a modern Protestant trend, Hasker insists that a doctrine of processions must be retained, arguing that it enjoys “significant support” from scripture (217), and he points out the awkwardness accepting “the main results of the [ancient] trinitarian controversy” while thinking that this “developmental process…had at its heart a fundamentally wrong assumption”, that is, that the Son and Spirit exist because of the Father (222–3).
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    Validity: The passage explicitly attributes both premises to Hasker as reasons for retaining the doctrine of processions, and together they provide rational support—one from scriptural evidence and one from the coherence of accepting historical theological conclusions—for the stated conclusion.

    Confidence: The two premises are clearly attributed to Hasker as reasons for retaining processions.

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