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    A representation that stands still in consciousness is fe... — Carmelics
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    A representation that stands still in consciousness is felt as a 'compression' between rising and inhibiting representations

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    • 1.A persisting representation R may be held still by the simultaneous and countervailing forces of a rising representation R_r and an inhibiting representation R_i
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    • 2.The state of R under these countervailing forces is experienced as compression between R_r and R_i
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    • 1.Qualitative phenomenal states cannot be derived from quantitative mechanical force relations between representations (Brentano, Psychology from an Empirical Standpoint).
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    • 2.The felt quality of 'compression' requires intentional directedness that Herbart's force-based model systematically excludes by treating representations as non-intentional magnitudes.
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    • 1.William James argued that consciousness is a continuous stream, not a field of discrete static representations that can be held motionless by countervailing forces.
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    • 2.If no representation ever genuinely 'stands still' in consciousness, the mechanical equilibrium Herbart describes has no phenomenological referent and the compression feeling lacks a subject.
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    Herbart develops his theory of disposition on the basis of persisting (stehende) and rising (steigende) representations (SW VI: 57).[50] That is, all dispositions must ultimately be explicable in terms of persisting or rising representations, and nothing else. Taking first the case of a representation (or representational series) R that stands still in consciousness, its persistence may be due to the simultaneous and countervailing forces exerted on it by rising and inhibiting representations,
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