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    Two representations can completely crowd out a third representation, rendering it incapable of affecting the state of mind.

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    • 1.Two representations together can generate sufficient inhibitory force to drive a third representation fully below the limen.
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    • 2.Representations with weaker vivacity than the third are even more susceptible to being crowded out by two stronger representations.
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    • 1.Herbart's mechanical model assumes representations are discrete, homogeneous units, but Brentano's act psychology shows mental states are intentionally structured, not force-bearing quanta.
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    • 2.If representations are inherently directed toward objects, their 'inhibition' cannot be total suppression—intentional content persists structurally even when not consciously attended.
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    • 3.Complete crowding out would destroy intentional directedness itself, yet Brentano's phenomenological evidence shows occluded representations retain dispositional intentional character.
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    • 1.Freud's clinical evidence demonstrates that 'crowded out' representations continue to causally influence behavior, dreams, and parapraxes, disconfirming the claim of total incapacitation.
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    • 2.A representation that actively generates symptoms, slips, and displacement cannot be coherently described as incapable of affecting the state of mind—its influence is merely transformed, not eliminated.
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    To sum up: One representation cannot so crowd out a second, since the remainder of \(b\), (i.e., \([R_b]\)), can never \(= 0\). On the other hand, two representations suffice to crowd out a third completely out of consciousness, making it incapable of affecting the state of mind (Gemüthszustand); and this is all the more the case for further representations with a weaker vivacity than c (SW V: 292). The limen is determined as a limit (“Gränze”) below which a representation is fully inhibited, bu
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