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    An institution whose agents share the very defect it is d... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The state or sovereign is necessary to ensure that individuals live harmoniously and assist one another.

    An institution whose agents share the very defect it is designed to remedy cannot reliably serve as the external corrective that makes harmony possible.

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    • 1.Agents who possess a defect lack the perceptual clarity needed to identify and correct that same defect in others reliably.
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    • 2.External correctives derive their legitimacy and effectiveness from moral or epistemic authority that defect-carriers cannot possess.
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    • 3.Systems cannot bootstrap themselves out of systemic problems; they require external standards independent of the problem itself.
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    • 1.Shared defects can create mutual accountability; agents with identical weaknesses may better recognize and check each other's lapses.
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    • 2.Perfect external correctives are unavailable, so requiring them is unrealistic; imperfect institutions may still improve outcomes substantially.
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    • 3.Self-awareness of shared defects can motivate institutional design that compensates through checks, transparency, and distributed power.
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