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    Challenges→The kind of freedom necessary for moral responsibility is incompatible with determinism.

    Bert is an atom-for-atom duplicate of Ernie who was not created by a goddess but is otherwise normal in every way.

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    To many people, it seems intuitively clear that Ernie acts unfreely and is for that reason not morally responsible for what he does. But if that’s right, it looks like this version of the Manipulation argument succeeds. For consider this: Ernie has an atom-for-atom duplicate, Bert, a normal guy in every way, exactly like Ernie (ideally self-controlled, rational, etc.) except for the fact that he was not created by a goddess. Bert finds himself in circumstances exactly like the ones Ernie is in,

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