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    Facts about Ernie's creation by a goddess with foreknowle... — Carmelics
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    Facts about Ernie's creation by a goddess with foreknowledge and intentions about his future are not relevant differences between Ernie and Bert.

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    • 1.The Manipulation argument's second premise holds that there is no relevant difference between Ernie and Bert.
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    • 2.Ernie's being created by a goddess with foreknowledge and intentions about his future are historical facts about his creation that differ from Bert's history.
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    • 3.For the second premise to hold, these historical facts must not count as relevant differences, even if they affect intuitions.
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    • 1.Sourcehood compatibilists (Fischer, Wolf) hold that causal history matters morally: origins partly constitute whether an agent is the genuine source of action.
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    • 2.A goddess's intentional design of Ernie's character to produce specific outcomes makes her, not Ernie, the proximate source of his deliberative states.
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    • 3.If Ernie's deliberative character was crafted with foreknowledge to guarantee a specific act, he lacks the kind of self-authorship required for moral responsibility, unlike Bert.
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    • 1.Derk Pereboom's 'four-case argument' itself demonstrates that manipulation cases succeed precisely because the manipulator's intentions undermine the agent's reasons-responsiveness as self-governed.
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    • 2.Divine foreknowledge paired with intentional creation constitutes a stronger manipulation condition than mere causal determinism, since it involves a designing agent with propositional attitudes about outcomes.
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    • 3.The asymmetry between Ernie and Bert is therefore normatively relevant: Bert's history lacks an intentional designer whose purposes colonize his practical identity.
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    knowledge(Distinguished from mere true belief, which may be the product of indoctrination and need not exercise deliberative capacities.)
    Justified true belief — true belief that has been arrived at through the exercise of deliberative capacities, including comparison of and deliberation among alternatives.

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    Defenders of the Zygote argument don’t dispute these points. The Manipulation argument works only if the second premise is true, and the second premise says that there is no relevant difference between Victim (in this case, Ernie) and any normal deterministic case of apparently free and responsible action (in this case, Bert). Ernie differs from Bert with respect to certain historical facts about his creation: the fact that he was created by a goddess with foreknowledge, and intentions about his
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