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    ECT has evil and suffering exist forever beside God — Carmelics
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    ECT has evil and suffering exist forever beside God

    Against a future action of GodAgainst an aspect of GodEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Scripture describes eternal conscious torment in multiple passages (Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:10), indicating God permits suffering indefinitely.
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    • 2.Free will requires real consequences; allowing creatures to reject God eternally respects libertarian freedom even if the outcome is tragic.
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    • 3.Divine omniscience means God knew evil would exist eternally; creating anyway suggests God accepts this coexistence as necessary or justified.
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    <html> <head> </head> <body> <p> The words "ECT has" might just be adding another assumption of the author: in a fully programed module, it might automatically put this in a list of assumptions. </p> <p> </p> <p> I've been debating on if we should have a list of assumptions, or try to work every single assumption into the argument itself as a presupposition, but this seems to show that there are instances where assuming something should be a sideline thing, not always an entirely separate argument to add on to the current argumentation. </p> <p> </p> <p> Then again, this is a reply: specifically, an assumption of the argument, then reductio. It might occasionally need special rules. </p> </body> </html>