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If ECT is true, then it is not that God will make all thi... — Carmelics

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If ECT is true, then it is not that God will make all things new

Against a future action of God Eternal Conscious Torment

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1.In Revelation 21:5, 'making all things new' entails a universal ontological renewal encompassing the totality of creation.
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2.ECT posits a realm of permanent suffering existing outside this renewal, constituting an unredeemed remainder in the final state.
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3.A creation containing an unredeemed remainder cannot coherently be described as having been made entirely new.
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1.Irenaeus and later Moltmann argue eschatological completion requires the recapitulation of all things under Christ's lordship.
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2.Permanent hell in ECT establishes a domain perpetually beyond recapitulation, resisting Christ's final lordship described in 1 Corinthians 15:28.
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3.Any final state where God is not 'all in all' is logically incompatible with the claim that God has made all things new.
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1.ECT has evil and suffering exist forever beside God
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2.If evil and suffering exist forever beside God, then God will not make evil and suffering new
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3.If the above is true, then God will not make evil and suffering new
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Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell God will make all things new If evil and suffering exist forever beside God, then God will not make evil and ...If the above is true, then God will not make evil and suffering new If the above is true, then it is not that ECT is true In Revelation 21:5, 'making all things new' entails a universal ontological rene...Irenaeus and later Moltmann argue eschatological completion requires the recapit...Permanent hell in ECT establishes a domain perpetually beyond recapitulation, re...

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