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    If evil and suffering exist forever beside God, then God ... — Carmelics
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    If evil and suffering exist forever beside God, then God will not make evil and suffering new

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    • 1.Divine renewal (palingenesia) in Scripture denotes comprehensive ontological transformation, not merely relational reorientation of rebels (Matt. 19:28, Rev. 21:5).
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    • 2.A being that persistently constitutes a locus of evil retains the ontological signature of the old creation, precluding its inclusion in what God makes genuinely new.
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    • 3.Aquinas holds that God's final causality orders all things to the Good; an eternally rebellious will permanently outside that teleological order cannot be a product of divine creative renewal.
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    • 1.Moltmann's eschatological ontology requires that 'new creation' annihilates the conditions of possibility for suffering, not merely their empirical instances alongside a persisting contrary realm.
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    • 2.If suffering exists eternally beside God, the metaphysical conditions generating suffering are never abolished, contradicting the entailment of genuine novelty in divine re-creation.
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    • Those in rebellion against God are made new, while recognizing God's authority, but remain in rebellion
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    • If the above is true, it is not that if evil and suffering exist forever beside God, then it is not that God will make make evil and suffering new
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