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    It is not the case that Either the sinner does not pay for the sin at all, or the sinner must pay for it by enduring everlasting suffering (or at least a permanent loss of happiness).

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.The gravity of an offense is properly measured by the harm caused and the offender's culpable intent, not solely by the dignity of the one offended.
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    • 2.Finite creatures, possessing finite will and finite understanding, cannot form intentions of infinite malice and therefore cannot incur infinitely serious guilt.
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    • 3.If guilt cannot be infinite, then finite suffering or corrective purgation can achieve full satisfaction, making everlasting torment disproportionate rather than required.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Anselm's satisfaction model presupposes a retributive framework, but divine justice can be coherently understood as restorative, as argued by Marilyn McCord Adams and others in theodicy literature.
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    • 2.Under a restorative model, the purpose of any penalty is the rehabilitation of the offender and reconciliation with the moral order, goals that are logically defeated by unending, hopeless suffering.
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    • 3.If everlasting torment cannot achieve restoration or reconciliation, it satisfies no coherent conception of justice and thus cannot be required by divine justice.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.God demands satisfaction in proportion to the extent of the sin.
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    • 2.You do not make satisfaction for any sin unless you pay something greater than that for whose sake (namely God's) you ought not to have sinned.
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    • 3.Because God is infinitely great, the slightest offense against God is also infinitely serious.
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