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    Either the sinner does not pay for the sin at all, or the... — Carmelics
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    Either the sinner does not pay for the sin at all, or the sinner must pay for it by enduring everlasting suffering (or at least a permanent loss of happiness).

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.God demands satisfaction in proportion to the extent of the sin.
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    • 2.You do not make satisfaction for any sin unless you pay something greater than that for whose sake (namely God's) you ought not to have sinned.
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    • 3.Because God is infinitely great, the slightest offense against God is also infinitely serious.
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    • 1.The gravity of an offense is properly measured by the harm caused and the offender's culpable intent, not solely by the dignity of the one offended.
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    • 2.Finite creatures, possessing finite will and finite understanding, cannot form intentions of infinite malice and therefore cannot incur infinitely serious guilt.
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    • 3.If guilt cannot be infinite, then finite suffering or corrective purgation can achieve full satisfaction, making everlasting torment disproportionate rather than required.
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    • 1.Anselm's satisfaction model presupposes a retributive framework, but divine justice can be coherently understood as restorative, as argued by Marilyn McCord Adams and others in theodicy literature.
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    • 2.Under a restorative model, the purpose of any penalty is the rehabilitation of the offender and reconciliation with the moral order, goals that are logically defeated by unending, hopeless suffering.
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    • 3.If everlasting torment cannot achieve restoration or reconciliation, it satisfies no coherent conception of justice and thus cannot be required by divine justice.
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    So why, one may wonder at this point, do the Augustinians believe that anyone—whether it be Judas Iscariot, Saul of Tarsus, or Adolph Hitler—actually deserves unending torment as a just recompense for their sins? The typical Augustinian answer appeals to the seriousness or the heinous character of even the most minor offense against God. In Cur Deus Homo (or Why God Became Man), a classic statement of the substitution theory of atonement, St. Anselm illustrated such an appeal with the following example. Suppose that God were to forbid you to look in a certain direction, even though it seemed t...

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