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    It is not the case that Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell

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    Reasons For

    8 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 8
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    • 1.if ECT is true, then it is not that God encompasses everything
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    • 2.God encompasses everything
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    • 3.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT is true
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    Reason for 2 of 8
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    • 1.If ECT is true, then God is evil
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    • 2.God is not evil
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    • 3.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT is true
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    Reason for 3 of 8
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    • 1.If ECT is true, then it is not that God will make all things new
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    • 2.God will make all things new
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    • 3.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT is true
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    Reason for 4 of 8
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    • 1.God will save everyone
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    • 2.ECT says that God will not save everyone
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    • 3.If the above is true, it is not that ECT is the true Hell
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    Reason for 5 of 8
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    • 1.ECT requires principles of justice
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    • 2.Is is not that a principle of justice exists that supports ECT
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    • 3.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT is the true Hell
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    Reason for 6 of 8
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    • 1.ECT is inconsistent with God's love
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    • 2.If ECT is inconsistent with God's love, then ECT is not the true Hell
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    Reason for 7 of 8
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    • 1.ECT is inconsistent with the justice of God
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    • 2.If ECT is inconsistent with the justice of God, it is not that ECT is the true Hell
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    Reason for 8 of 8
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    • 1.Everyone will eventually accept salvation
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT is the true Hell
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    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
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    • 1.Human freedom, as defended by Alvin Plantinga's libertarian free will theodicy, entails the genuine capacity to permanently reject God.
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    • 2.A love that coerces ultimate acceptance is not love but domination, making forced reconciliation incompatible with God's loving nature.
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    • 3.ECT, on this view, is not God's infliction of suffering but the self-chosen consequence of an irrevocable free rejection of the Good itself.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Jonathan Edwards and Thomas Aquinas both argue that sin against an infinite Good warrants an infinite consequence, grounding proportional justice in ECT.
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    • 2.The beatific vision for the saved requires a settled, permanent metaphysical order, which C.S. Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' illustrates as incompatible with ongoing cosmic revision.
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    • 3.If God making all things new applies only to the redeemed order, Objections 3 and 5 commit the scope fallacy by universalizing a promise made to the redeemed community.
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