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    Even if an ideal moral code for perfectly moral humans co... — Carmelics
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    Even if an ideal moral code for perfectly moral humans could be conceptualized, it would be normatively inadequate

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    • 1.Moral codes derive normative force from their capacity to guide agents through genuine motivational conflict, not merely to describe frictionless ideal action.
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    • 2.A code for perfectly moral beings presupposes the very virtuous dispositions that moral guidance is needed to cultivate, rendering it action-guiding only for those who need no guidance.
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    • 3.Aristotle's account in the Nicomachean Ethics grounds practical wisdom precisely in the navigation of akrasia and competing desires, which perfectly moral agents by definition never face.
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    • 1.R.M. Hare's two-level utilitarianism distinguishes critical from intuitive moral thinking because ideal reasoning is cognitively inaccessible to agents under real-world conditions of bias and time pressure.
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    • 2.A moral code adequate only for beings immune to bias, weakness of will, and cognitive limitation fails the action-guidance condition under non-ideal theory as articulated by Rawls and Farrelly.
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    • 3.Normative adequacy requires what Derek Parfit calls 'robustness to predictable human failure,' a criterion no ideal-agent code can satisfy by its own design parameters.
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    • 1.Actual humans have desires, emotions, and irrational proclivities
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    • 2.A moral code designed for hypothetically perfectly moral beings does not address the actual desires, emotions, and irrational proclivities of real humans
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    • 3.A moral code that does not address the actual conditions of real humans provides inadequate normative guidance
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    For Sidgwick, Spencer’s utilitarianism was merely seemingly deductive even though it purported to be more scientific and rigorously rational than “empirical” utilitarianism. However, deductive hedonism fails because, contrary to what deductive hedonists like Spencer think, no general science of the causes of pleasure and pain exists, insuring that we will never succeed in formulating universal, indefeasible moral rules for promoting happiness. Moreover, Spencer only makes matters worse for himse
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