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    Every reference to the fate of the lost in the New Testament argues irreversible destruction of the wicked

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    • 1.10 refer to Gehenna
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    • 2.those verses refer to the rubbish pit in the Hinnom Valley outside Jerusalem
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    • 3.A reference to such pit argues irreversible destruction of the wicked
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    • 1.10 refer to Gehenna
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    • 2.those verses refer to the fate of the lost
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    • 3.26 refer to the wicked burning up
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Revelation 14:11 and 20:10 explicitly describe torment 'day and night forever and ever,' which is incompatible with annihilationist readings of destruction.
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    • 2.The Greek 'aionios' in Matthew 25:46 applies symmetrically to eternal life and eternal punishment, making a terminal interpretation of punishment linguistically inconsistent.
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    • 3.Augustine's reading in City of God XIX-XXI established that 'destruction' (apoleia) in Koine Greek denotes ruin of function, not cessation of existence, a distinction the argument ignores.
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    • 1.The argument commits the fallacy of equivocation by treating 'destruction,' 'perdition,' and 'utter loss' as synonyms for annihilation when patristic exegetes like Tertullian used them for permanent conscious ruin.
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    • 2.The 108 'adverse judgment' verses are explicitly admitted to specify no penalty, making their classification as evidence for irreversible destruction a non sequitur that inflates the count without logical warrant.
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    1 refers to human beings who have no rest, day or night10 refer to Gehenna108 refer to adverse judgment where no penalty is specified15 refer to anguish
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    20 refer to separation from God26 refer to death and its finality26 refer to the wicked burning upA reference to such pit argues irreversible destruction of the wickedAugustine's reading in City of God XIX-XXI established that 'destruction' (apole...If the above is true, then every reference argues irreverisble destruction of th...If the above is true, then the New Testament scriptures argue irreversible destr...If the above is true, then there are 264 references to the fate of the wickedRevelation 14:11 and 20:10 explicitly describe torment 'day and night forever an...The 108 'adverse judgment' verses are explicitly admitted to specify no penalty,...

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    The Greek 'aionios' in Matthew 25:46 applies symmetrically to eternal life and e...
    The New Testament scriptures argue irreversible destruction of the wicked
    The argument commits the fallacy of equivocation by treating 'destruction,' 'per...
    some of 59 refer to destruction
    some of 59 refer to perdition
    some of 59 refer to ruin
    some of 59 refer to utter loss
    such reference argues irreverisble destruction of the wicked
    such references argue irreverisble destruction of the wicked
    such references argue irreversible destruction of the wicked
    that verse refers to the fate of the lost
    the wicked burning up argues irreversible destruction of the wicked
    there are no more instances that references the fate of the lost
    those verses refer to the fate of the lost
    those verses refer to the rubbish pit in the Hinnom Valley outside Jerusalem