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    Free choice of damnation (Objection 1) determines the des... — Carmelics
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    Supports→If people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infinitely evil crimes, or their ECT torturing must be inconsistent with the justice of God

    Free choice of damnation (Objection 1) determines the destination of punishment but cannot by itself transform a finite sin into a crime deserving infinite suffering intensity without limit.

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    • 1.Finite creatures performing finite acts within finite time cannot generate infinite culpability regardless of their will's orientation.
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    • 2.Proportionality between transgression and punishment is a basic requirement of justice; infinite punishment for finite sin violates this.
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    • 3.Free choice explains why someone deserves *some* punishment, but magnitude of desert must scale with the actual harm or offense committed.
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    • 1.The offense's severity depends on the dignity of the one offended; sinning against an infinite being could constitute infinite transgression.
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    • 2.Rejecting God's infinite goodness and grace through free choice might itself constitute an infinite harm, justifying infinite consequence.
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    • 3.Justice doesn't require arithmetic proportionality; a sovereign authority may justly set penalties for rebellion at any level deemed appropriate.
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    Key Terms

    Infinite suffering intensity without limit(as used in theological arguments about eternal punishment)
    Punishment that has no end and grows in severity without ever stopping or reaching a maximum level.
    Objection 1(as used in philosophical writing structure)
    The first counter-argument or challenge presented against a main philosophical claim, typically followed by a response defending the original position.
    damnation(theology/philosophy of religion)
    In religious belief, the state of being condemned to Hell or eternal punishment after death.
    finite(Bradley's metaphysics)
    An entity that has something that limits it.
    free choice(Clarke's definition of libertarian free will as applied to divine agency)
    A choice that logically requires the agent to have the power to choose otherwise than they actually chose
    sin(Kierkegaardian Christian theology)
    The condition of always being in the wrong before God; a transcendently introduced state that is the prerequisite for Christian faith.
    transform(as used in this argument about art's effects)
    To change fundamentally or significantly in a deeper way, not just on the surface.

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