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    It is not the case that God must be libertarianly free in his production of creatures—free either to create or not to create.

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    • 1.Necessary creation does not entail God's dependence on creatures, since a necessary emanation can flow from divine fullness without God requiring creatures to be complete.
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    • 2.Plotinus and Neoplatonic emanationism hold that the One necessarily overflows into being precisely because it lacks nothing, making necessity compatible with absolute self-sufficiency.
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    • 3.Therefore, necessary creation can express divine absoluteness rather than compromise it, undermining the inference in P2-P4.
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    • 1.If God is identical with his own nature and his nature is essentially good, then Leibniz's principle that a perfectly rational will always acts on the best reason entails God necessarily creates the best world.
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    • 2.Libertarian freedom requires the ability to do otherwise without any change in reasons or nature, but an immutable, omniscient God cannot satisfy this condition without implying arbitrary or sub-rational divine choice.
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    • 3.Requiring libertarian freedom in God thus conflicts with divine rationality and immutability, making the claim self-defeating within classical theism.
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    • 1.It is necessary to uphold the divine absoluteness.
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    • 2.If God must create (i.e., the divine nature necessitates creation), then God would depend on the created world to be himself and to be fully actual.
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    • 3.If God depends on the created world, he would need what is other than himself to be himself.
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