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    God threatens sensible misery, not annihilation — Carmelics
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    God threatens sensible misery, not annihilation

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    • 1.Retributive justice requires that punishment be proportional to wrongdoing, which demands graduated conscious suffering rather than uniform nonexistence.
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    • 2.Aquinas in Summa Theologiae argues the damned retain intellect and will, making their conscious recognition of separation from God constitutive of hell's punishment.
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    • 3.Annihilation eliminates the subject of punishment entirely, thus failing the retributive condition that the wrongdoer themselves bear the consequence of their acts.
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    • 1.The Augustinian tradition holds that evil is privation of good, meaning hell's torment consists in the conscious experience of deprivation, not cessation of existence.
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    • 2.C.S. Lewis in 'The Problem of Pain' argues that the damned's suffering is irreducibly experiential, requiring a persisting conscious subject who endures relational loss.
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    • 3.Annihilationism collapses the morally significant distinction between punishments of differing severity, undermining divine justice's capacity to differentiate degrees of guilt.
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    • 1.Scripture says that the wicked must be cognizant of their punishment
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    • 2.Annihilation denies this awareness
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    • 3.So, either Scripture is true or Annihilaiton is true
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    • 1.Scripture represents the wicked's punishment to imply sensible misery: extreme pain and suffering
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    • 2.Annihilation is not suffering
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    • 3.If the above are true, it follows that God threatens sensible misery, not annihilation
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    • 1.Scripture advocates that the damned suffer degrees of torment
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    • 2.Annihilation does not offer degrees of torment
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    • 3.If the above is true, Scripture does not advocate for annihilationism
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