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    Ideas of pains, colors, and sounds must be innate rather ... — Carmelics
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    Ideas of pains, colors, and sounds must be innate rather than adventitious in origin

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    • 1.The human (embodied) mind has the faculty or capacity to have sensory ideas of pains, colors, sounds, and so on
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    • 2.These sensory ideas are occasioned by certain motions in the brain
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    • 3.Nothing of the motions in the brain is transferred to the mind
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    • 1.Locke's empiricist program demonstrates that all simple ideas, including pain and color, can be fully derived from sensation and reflection without positing innate content.
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    • 2.The genetic fallacy embedded in Descartes' inference conflates the causal origin of an idea with its epistemic or ontological status as 'innate' rather than 'adventitious'.
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    • 3.If 'innate' means only that the mind has a capacity to produce such ideas when triggered, this is trivially compatible with adventitious origins and dissolves the distinction Descartes relies upon.
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    • 1.Sellars and later representationalists show that sensory qualities can be functionally constituted by their causal-relational roles to external stimuli, making non-resemblance insufficient to establish innateness.
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    • 2.P4's claim that nothing resembling pain or color exists in bodies does not entail innateness, since the mind could still construct qualitative content through reliable causal co-variation with physical states, as reliabilist accounts of perception maintain.
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    This is not the only place in Descartes’ work where innate and adventitious ideas are cast as sharing the trait of having their respective origins in things existing independently of his mind. For instance, in Comments on a Certain Broadsheet, published in 1648, Descartes casts innateness as a faculty (AT VIIIB 358; CSM I 304), which aligns with what he had said to Hobbes in the Third Set of Replies: “…when we say that an idea is innate in us, we do not mean that it is always there before us. Th
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