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    In temporal reference frames, God's actions and their eff... — Carmelics
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    In temporal reference frames, God's actions and their effects are nonsimultaneous.

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    • In temporal reference frames, God's actions occur at eternity but their effects occur at particular points in time.
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    • 1.Brian Leftow argues that God's eternity can be modeled as a timeless 'now' that intersects every temporal moment without being sequenced among them.
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    • 2.If God's eternal act intersects each temporal moment directly, the causal relation between act and effect requires no temporal gap or non-simultaneity.
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    • 3.Non-simultaneity presupposes a shared temporal framework, which by definition cannot apply to a being whose existence is categorically atemporal.
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    • 1.Eleonore Stump and Norman Kretzmann's ET-simultaneity relation makes eternal and temporal events co-present without requiring temporal ordering.
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    • 2.If ET-simultaneity holds, God's eternal act and its temporal effect are simultaneously present to each other, negating non-simultaneity.
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    The Zero Thesis says not only that the distance between God and any spatial thing is zero, but also that it always is zero. Therefore nothing ever moves with respect to God. Moreover, all change supervenes on motion, e.g., change in color supervenes on motion in microparticles. So there is no change with respect to God (Leftow 1991: 227). Therefore, God and all spatial things share a frame of reference, the reference frame of eternity, in which nothing changes. In this reference frame, all events are simultaneous, including God’s actions and their effects. That is, they all occur at eternity, ...

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