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    It is possible that God must permit a large number of peo... — Carmelics
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    It is possible that God must permit a large number of people to damn themselves in order to fill heaven with a larger number of redeemed.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • Some persons would submit to God freely only in a world in which others damn themselves forever.
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    • 1.Alvin Plantinga's 'transworld depravity' shows free creatures may resist God in every feasible world, making the redeemed-requiring-damned thesis contingent rather than necessary.
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    • 2.A claim of mere logical possibility cannot justify actual eternal suffering without demonstrating that no morally equivalent alternative world was feasible for God.
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    • 3.Using damned souls instrumentally as conditions for others' salvation treats persons as means, violating the Kantian constraint that even divine ends cannot justify such use of rational beings.
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    • 1.An omnipotent God could actualize a world where the freely redeemed exist without requiring any souls to damn themselves eternally.
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    • 2.If God cannot create such a world, this constitutes a limitation on divine power that undermines classical theism's conception of omnipotence.
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    Let theism in general be the belief that a supremely powerful, supremely wise, and supremely good (loving, just, merciful) personal being exists as the Creator of the universe. Christian theism is, of course, more specific than that, and Christian theists typically make the following two-fold assumption: first, that the highest possible good for created persons (true blessedness, if you will) requires that they enter into a proper relationship (or even a kind of union) with their Creator, and second, that a complete severance from the divine nature, without even an implicit experience of God (...

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