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    Macroscopic repeatability does not establish determinism, because quantum stochasticity is merely washed out at large scales rather than absent.

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    • 1.David Bohm's ontological interpretation demonstrates that apparent macroscopic determinism can coexist with irreducible quantum indeterminacy at the subquantum level.
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    • 2.If determinism requires the absence of indeterminacy at all levels, then macroscopic regularity cannot establish determinism without ruling out Bohmian hidden variables.
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    • 3.The statistical suppression of quantum effects at macro-scales leaves the underlying ontological structure indeterminist, making repeatability epistemically misleading as evidence for determinism.
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    • 1.Cartwright's 'dappled world' thesis establishes that domain-specific regularities do not entail universal deterministic laws governing the full causal structure of nature.
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    • 2.Macroscopic repeatability is a bounded, domain-relative phenomenon that cannot license inference to global determinism without committing the fallacy of affirming the consequent.
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    • 1.Indeterminist physicists acknowledge that macroscopic repeatability is usually obtainable.
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    • 2.Macroscopic repeatability occurs because phenomena are large-scale enough that quantum stochasticity gets washed out.
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    • 3.Washing out quantum stochasticity is not the same as the absence of quantum indeterminism.
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    There have even been studies of paradigmatically “chancy” phenomena such as coin-flipping, which show that if starting conditions can be precisely controlled and outside interferences excluded, identical behavior results (see Diaconis, Holmes & Montgomery 2007). Most of these bits of evidence for determinism no longer seem to cut much ice, however, because of faith in quantum mechanics and its indeterminism. Indeterminist physicists and philosophers are ready to acknowledge that macroscopic
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