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    Some failures of repeatability in physical experiments ar... — Carmelics
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    Some failures of repeatability in physical experiments are genuinely due to quantum indeterminism, not merely failures of experimental control.

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    • 1.At least some failures of repeatability in systems such as hard drives or coin-flipping experiments are attributable to quantum indeterminism.
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    • 2.These failures cannot be fully eliminated by isolating the system or establishing identical initial conditions.
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    • 1.The epistemic inaccessibility of true initial conditions is indistinguishable in practice from ontological indeterminism (Laplace's demon argument).
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    • 2.No experiment can rule out hidden classical variables as the source of variance, as Bohm's 1952 pilot-wave theory demonstrates empirically.
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    • 1.Decoherence theory shows that quantum indeterminacy is effectively suppressed at macro-scales by environmental entanglement before influencing classical outcomes.
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    • 2.Coin flips and hard drive failures operate at scales where thermal noise—a classical, deterministic-in-principle phenomenon—vastly dominates quantum variance.
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    There have even been studies of paradigmatically “chancy” phenomena such as coin-flipping, which show that if starting conditions can be precisely controlled and outside interferences excluded, identical behavior results (see Diaconis, Holmes & Montgomery 2007). Most of these bits of evidence for determinism no longer seem to cut much ice, however, because of faith in quantum mechanics and its indeterminism. Indeterminist physicists and philosophers are ready to acknowledge that macroscopic
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