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    Not all Augustinians accept Augustine's own understanding... — Carmelics
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    Not all Augustinians accept Augustine's own understanding of hell as an eternal torture chamber.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Many Augustinians view the agony of hell as essentially psychological and spiritual in nature, consisting of the knowledge that every possibility for joy and happiness has been lost forever.
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    • 2.For these Augustinians, hell is a condition in which self-loathing, hatred of others, hopelessness, and infinite despair consumes the soul like a metaphorical fire.
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    • 1.Augustine's own exegesis of Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10 treats bodily resurrection as entailing literal corporeal suffering in hell.
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    • 2.Augustinians who psychologize hell must explain why the resurrection of the damned's bodies serves any purpose if torment is purely spiritual.
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    • 3.Stripping the physical dimension from Augustinian hell contradicts Augustine's explicit anti-Origenist polemic in City of God Book XXI.
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    • 1.The psychological reinterpretation of hell-fire is structurally identical to the allegorical readings Augustine himself condemned in Origen.
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    • 2.Accepting psychological hellfire while claiming Augustinian authority is therefore internally inconsistent within the tradition's own hermeneutical commitments.
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    If this set of propositions is logically inconsistent, as it surely is, then at least one proposition in the set is false. In no way does it follow, of course, that only one proposition in the set is false, and neither does it follow that at least two of them are true. But if someone does accept any two of these propositions, as virtually every mainline Christian theologian does, then such a person has no choice but to reject the third.[1] It is typically rather easy, moreover, to determine which proposition a given theologian ultimately rejects, and we can therefore classify theologians acc...

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