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    God offers his grace to all human beings, though many fre... — Carmelics
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    God offers his grace to all human beings, though many freely reject it and seal their fate in hell.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.It is unjust for God to do for some what God refuses to do for others.
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    • 2.The elect have done nothing to deserve their special treatment.
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    • 1.If God possesses perfect foreknowledge, then God creates persons he knows with certainty will reject grace and suffer eternal torment.
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    • 2.Creating a person one knows with certainty will freely choose irremediable damnation is not compatible with genuine universal salvific will.
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    • 3.Therefore, the doctrine of universal grace offer is internally inconsistent with classical divine omniscience.
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    • 1.Molinism and Calvinist traditions both argue that the conditions under which free choices occur are themselves divinely ordained.
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    • 2.If God controls the circumstances and counterfactuals of creaturely freedom, then the distinction between divine election and free rejection collapses.
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    • 3.Arminius himself acknowledged that prevenient grace enabling free response must be resistible, yet resistibility requires grace be unequally distributed in effect.
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    Clearly, then, we all encounter in our natural environment many threats to our immediate welfare and many obstacles, some of our own making and some not, to enduring happiness. The Christian interpretation of this human condition thus postulates an initial estrangement from God, and the Christian religion then offers a prescription for how we can be saved from such estrangement; it teaches in particular that “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor. 5:19a—KJV). But Christians also disagree among themselves concerning the extent and ultimate success of God’s saving activit...

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