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    Sinners can freely separate themselves from God forever. — Carmelics
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    Sinners can freely separate themselves from God forever.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Even though the perfectly loving God would never reject anyone, sinners can reject God.
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    • 2.Sinners have the power as free agents to reject God for a season, during the time when they are mired in ambiguity and subject to illusion.
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    • 3.Sinners are also able to cling forever to the illusions that make such rejection possible in the first place.
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    • 1.An omnipotent, perfectly loving God would possess the capacity to dispel illusions that sustain sinful rejection without violating free will.
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    • 2.If God can reveal truth more fully post-mortem (as Hick's eschatological verification suggests), then no illusion need persist forever.
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    • 3.Therefore, the perpetuation of salvific illusions eternally is incompatible with both divine omnipotence and perfect love.
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    • 1.Free will requires the capacity for genuine rational deliberation, which is undermined by persistent cognitive distortion or illusion.
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    • 2.A choice grounded in illusion—as P2 and P3 explicitly concede—lacks the authenticity required for it to constitute a morally binding, irrevocable self-determination.
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    • 3.Marilyn McCord Adams argues in 'Horrendous Evils' that choices made under conditions of profound cognitive impairment cannot ground eternal consequences.
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    Clearly, then, we all encounter in our natural environment many threats to our immediate welfare and many obstacles, some of our own making and some not, to enduring happiness. The Christian interpretation of this human condition thus postulates an initial estrangement from God, and the Christian religion then offers a prescription for how we can be saved from such estrangement; it teaches in particular that “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor. 5:19a—KJV). But Christians also disagree among themselves concerning the extent and ultimate success of God’s saving activit...

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