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    The Dao's following ziran does not initiate an infinite regress of grounding relations

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    • 1.In the hierarchy 'Human beings follow earth, earth follows heaven, heaven follows dao, and dao follows ziran', each level follows the next
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    • 2.Spontaneity (ziran) means making it up oneself on the fly, which is the opposite of following something external
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    • 3.If the Dao follows spontaneity, the Dao follows nothing beyond itself, thereby arresting the regress
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    • 1.If ziran means 'self-so-ness' or 'being-so-of-itself', it names a property or standard that the Dao conforms to, not merely a reflexive description of the Dao itself.
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    • 2.Any conformity to an external standard—even an abstract one like spontaneity—reintroduces a grounding relation, since the standard explains why the Dao acts as it does.
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    • 3.The regress is therefore only nominally arrested: ziran functions as a hidden explainer, displacing rather than terminating the chain of grounding relations.
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    • 1.Bradley's regress shows that any relation R said to unify its relata requires a further relation R' to explain how R relates to those relata, generating infinite regress.
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    • 2.The claim that 'Dao follows ziran' while ziran is identical to Dao's own nature still posits a following-relation between Dao and a character it instantiates, inviting exactly this Bradleyan regress.
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    • 3.Collapsing the relata (Dao and ziran) to escape the regress commits the defender to radical monism, which undermines the hierarchical cosmology the passage in Daodejing 25 is meant to articulate.
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    Second, because it is capable of singlehandedly originating everything, the Dao is taken to be necessarily ziran, meaning “self-so” or “spontaneous”, which is read as entailing something like the kind of necessity and aseity of being causa sui in the Thomist tradition (Perkins 2019). Wang explains the entailment in her explication of a famous passage (“Human beings follow earth, earth follows heaven, heaven follows dao, and dao follows ziran”): the Dao’s following ziran arrests the regress becau
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