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    The divine nature implies the existence of three relation... — Carmelics
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    The divine nature implies the existence of three relational qua-objects, which are the Persons of the Trinity.

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    • 1.God (the divine nature) understands all things through himself.
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    • 2.God is essentially omniscient and essentially self-understanding.
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    • 1.A nature, as an abstract universal, cannot itself be the ontological ground of distinct subsistent relations without collapsing into tritheism or modalism.
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    • 2.Aquinas's own doctrine of divine simplicity entails that no real distinctions obtain within the divine essence, making relational qua-objects internal to that essence formally incoherent.
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    • 3.If the divine nature 'implies' three objects, the nature is prior to the Persons, contradicting the Nicene insistence that the Persons are not derived from an antecedent divine substrate.
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    • 1.Qua-objects, as introduced by Fine, are constituted by an object under a restriction to certain properties, but divine persons are not the divine nature restricted—they are fully divine, making the qua-object model categorically inapplicable.
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    • 2.Self-understanding in an absolutely simple being generates at most a reflexive identity, not a numerically distinct relatum, as Spinoza's monist critique of personal distinctions in God demonstrates.
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    Koons, following Aquinas
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    Following Aquinas, Koons says that God (a.k.a. the divine nature) understands all things through himself; God is essentially omniscient and essentially self-understanding. Thus, the divine nature implies the existence of three relational qua-objects, which are the Persons of the Trinity. These are not merely three ways we can think of God, or three ways God may appear to us, but rather these objects result from God’s essential self-understanding (345). Each of these four things–God (the divine nature), the Father, the Son, and the Spirit–has the divine nature as its one metaphysical component,...
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    Validity: The source passage explicitly states that "the divine nature implies the existence of three relational qua-objects, which are the Persons of the Trinity" and connects this to God's essential self-understanding and understanding all things through himself, though the inferential link is admittedly compressed and relies on Koons's broader theoretical framework.

    Confidence: Clearly stated argument in the text.

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