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    The fact that the alternative to remaining in a state wou... — Carmelics
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    The fact that the alternative to remaining in a state would be terrible is not a sufficient reason to think that those who choose to remain in a state are not thereby bound by political obligation.

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    • 1.Genuine consent requires that the consenting party could reasonably have chosen otherwise without facing catastrophic harm, following Kant's distinction between coercion and free rational agency.
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    • 2.Emigration from one's native state is not a genuinely available alternative for most people, given linguistic, familial, economic, and legal barriers that make exit practically impossible.
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    • 3.When 'consent' is given under conditions where the only alternative is severe deprivation, the act tracks self-preservation rather than autonomous endorsement of the authority's legitimacy.
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    • 1.Hume's own insurance and battlefield analogies involve discrete, negotiated transactions between parties with roughly comparable power, unlike the structural asymmetry between citizen and state.
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    • 2.Political obligation, unlike contractual obligation, is claimed universally over all persons born within a territory regardless of their individual acts of agreement or negotiation.
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    • 3.A consent-based obligation that applies automatically to all persons in a jurisdiction by virtue of non-exit cannot be grounded in the same voluntarist logic that validates paradigm cases of private contract.
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    • 1.People consent to pay insurance premiums in order to avoid lacking health care, yet such consent is considered valid and binding.
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    • 2.Promises made on the battlefield under severe duress to lay down arms are considered valid and binding.
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    • 3.Consenting to something in order to avoid terrible costs does not invalidate the consent or remove the obligation it creates.
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    Key Terms

    Bound by(as used in ethics and political philosophy)
    Obligated to do something; tied to a requirement or duty that you must follow.
    political obligation(Described as an 'age old issue' addressed extensively in the literature.)
    The moral question of whether and why individuals have a general duty to obey the law, potentially depending on features of the relevant legal system.
    state(The lamp can only be in one of two states at any given moment)
    The binary condition of the lamp, either on or off
    sufficient reason(Used by Leibniz to distinguish genuine explanatory grounds from mere descriptions.)
    A reason adequate to determine why a thing is as it is and not otherwise.

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    But it is not clear why Hume's argument is supposed to work. It sounds like the argument challenges the voluntariness of the consent. But this cannot be a conclusive argument here. After all, many people consent to things in order to avoid the terrible costs of not consenting. People consent to pay their insurance premiums in order not to end up without health care when the time comes that they need it. Promises made on the battlefield to lay down arms on the condition that the opponent will not
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    People consent to pay insurance premiums in order to avoid lacking health care, ...
    Political obligation, unlike contractual obligation, is claimed universally over...
    Promises made on the battlefield under severe duress to lay down arms are consid...
    When 'consent' is given under conditions where the only alternative is severe de...
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