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    It is not the case that The timelessness solution to the dilemma of foreknowledge and freedom is unsuccessful.

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    • The idea of timelessness either does not make sense or is incompatible with other religiously compelling properties of God, such as personhood.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.A timeless God cannot stand in real causal or temporal relations to created events, yet providence and answered prayer require such relations.
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    • 2.Eleonore Stump and Norman Kretzmann's 'ET-simultaneity' relation, meant to bridge eternity and time, is not a genuine simultaneity relation and cannot ground the required cognitive contact with free acts.
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    • 3.Without genuine cognitive contact with temporal events as they occur, a timeless being's 'knowledge' of free acts lacks the modal sensitivity needed to count as knowledge rather than mere true belief.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.If God timelessly knows proposition P, then God's knowing P is not earlier, later, or simultaneous with any human act, making it conceptually impossible for God's knowledge to be counterfactually dependent on what agents freely do.
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    • 2.Nelson Pike's original incompatibilist argument requires only that God's belief be fixed prior to the act; timeless fixity is equally sufficient to generate the same kind of necessity that undermines freedom.
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    • 3.Paul Helm's defense of timeless foreknowledge concedes that timeless knowledge is 'accidentally necessary' relative to any temporal vantage point, preserving the very modal constraint the timelessness solution was designed to dissolve.
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