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    The Yogācāra dream argument fails to establish the non-existence of external objects

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    • 1.Dream content exhibits systematic coherence and narrative structure that requires no external causal grounding to explain its phenomenal character.
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    • 2.Vasubandhu's own Viṃśikā concedes that dream objects lack causal efficacy (arthakriyā), yet still grants them representational content, undermining the inference from content to external cause.
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    • 3.If impressions (vāsanā) suffice to generate fully determinate perceptual-seemings in dreams, the Yogācāra position regressively presupposes the very external objects it claims to eliminate.
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    • 1.Dignāga's ālambana-parīkṣā establishes that the causal and representational roles of a perceptual object can be filled by internal mental factors alone, making the dream analogy self-undermining as an argument for idealism.
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    • 2.The Sautrāntika critic (as reconstructed by Dharmakīrti in Pramāṇavārttika) correctly notes that systematically correlated dream experiences across sentient beings demand a mind-independent explanatory basis that pure vijñāna-streams cannot supply.
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    • 1.Dream-consciousness and similar states have dharmas as their objects (ālambana)
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    • 2.Dharmas are based on intrinsically real conventional objects
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    • 3.Dharmas are the repeated impressions of objects previously experienced, analogous to memory
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    The arguments that affirm the conventional reality of the external objects are the same arguments that Bhāvavevika employed to criticise the Yogācāra arguments rejecting the reality of external objects. Bhāvavevika’s [MadhHK] 5.15 points out Yogācāra’s arguments are contradicted by perception (pratyakṣa), tradition (āgama) and commonse sense (lokaprasiddha), since they all prove the correctness of the cogniton of material form ([MadhHK] 5.15 Dbu ma dza 20b and Tarkajvālā 5.15 Dbu ma dza 204ab).
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    Vasubandhu's own Viṃśikā concedes that dream objects lack causal efficacy (artha...
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