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    God owes us forgiveness. — Carmelics
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    God owes us forgiveness.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.God, as our Creator, has a freely accepted responsibility to meet our moral and spiritual needs.
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    • 2.Human parents have an obligation to care for their children, including forgiving them when they misbehave.
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    • 3.God's relationship to us is analogous to that of parents to their children.
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    • 1.Obligations require a prior moral framework independent of the obligated party, but God is the ground of morality itself, not subject to it.
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    • 2.If God constitutes the moral order rather than falling under it, no external standard can generate duties that bind God toward creatures.
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    • 3.Anselm's God, as that than which nothing greater can be conceived, cannot be constrained by obligations derived from creaturely relationships.
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    • 1.The parent-child analogy breaks down because human parental obligations arise from vulnerabilities parents themselves created under conditions of mutual finitude.
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    • 2.God's creative act differs categorically: God creates from nothing, sustaining beings who retain genuine libertarian freedom to reject relationship entirely.
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    • 3.Where a creature freely and persistently repudiates the relationship, the relational basis for forgiveness as a binding obligation dissolves, as even Marilyn McCord Adams acknowledges in distinguishing horrendous evil from ordinary wrongdoing.
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