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    It is not the case that God would have a sure-fire way to shatter the illusions that make sinners' rebellion possible, even for the most tenacious sinners.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Frankfurt's work on free will shows that agents can be compelled by external conditions without this nullifying the authenticity of their resulting choices.
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    • 2.If God engineers experiential conditions specifically to produce repentance, the resulting conversion is causally determined by divine manipulation, not genuine free choice.
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    • 3.A conversion that God guarantees through orchestrated suffering cannot serve as the basis for authentic moral relationship, undermining the very good it was meant to achieve.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Kant's Formula of Humanity prohibits treating rational agents merely as means, yet using engineered suffering to shatter illusions treats persons as objects to be reprogrammed.
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    • 2.A God who overrides persistent rational commitments—even confused ones—through guaranteed experiential coercion violates the dignity that grounds the moral order such a God is supposed to uphold.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.God need only honor sinners' own free choices and permit them to experience the very life they have confusedly chosen for themselves.
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    • 2.Experiencing the consequences of their freely chosen life apart from God would teach them a hard lesson and do the most good.
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