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    It is not the case that If people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infinitely evil crimes, or their ECT torturing must be inconsistent with the justice of God

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 4
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    • 1.People freely choose salvation or Hell
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    Reason for 2 of 4
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    • 1.The damned will suffer continually
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    Reason for 3 of 4
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    • 1.punishment of sin is always a good, not an evil
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    Reason for 4 of 4
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    • 1.Hell does not need to deal with the laws of justice the Bible set up
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Retributive justice requires proportionality: punishment must be commensurate in magnitude with the gravity of the offense (Kant, Metaphysics of Morals).
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    • 2.Finite temporal crimes, even the gravest, cannot generate infinite moral debt, as moral desert is bounded by the agent's finite causal and rational capacity.
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    • 3.Therefore, infinite punishment of finite creatures violates the proportionality principle constitutive of retributive justice, regardless of divine authorization.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Aquinas holds that justice renders to each their due (suum cuique), and that disproportionate punishment is an injustice even when inflicted by legitimate authority (ST II-II, Q.61).
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    • 2.Free choice of damnation (Objection 1) determines the destination of punishment but cannot by itself transform a finite sin into a crime deserving infinite suffering intensity without limit.
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    • 3.Continuous accumulation of sin in Hell (Objection 2) cannot retroactively justify the initial imposition of maximal eternal torment before any such accumulation has occurred.
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