Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Monist theories can be pluralist at the level of ordinary... — Carmelics
    Home/Consequentialism
    HistoryEditSee Inverse

    Monist theories can be pluralist at the level of ordinary choice by positing intermediate values that derive their worth from a single foundational value

    Consequentialism
    ?Rate how convincing each reason is below to see the overall strength.
    1 reason for
    2 reasons against

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.Some theories claim there is fundamentally one value, such as pleasure
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.These same theories claim that intermediate values such as knowledge and beauty are valuable because of the amount of pleasure they produce, realize, or contain
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Pluralism at the level of ordinary choice is compatible with monism at the foundational level
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
    Reason against 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Intermediate values that derive worth entirely from a foundational value are merely instrumental, not genuinely valuable in themselves.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If knowledge is only valuable because it produces pleasure, then knowledge-without-pleasure has zero value, which contradicts strong intuitions defended by G.E. Moore in Principia Ethica.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.A theory that denies intrinsic value to intermediate goods is monist at every level that matters morally, making pluralism at the choice level a superficial relabeling.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason against 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Incommensurability between values like friendship and justice cannot be dissolved by reducing both to a common currency without distorting practical reasoning, as Ruth Chang has argued.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If intermediate values were truly derivable from one foundational value, rational agents should always be able to rank them cardinally, but agents routinely face genuine tragic dilemmas with no dominant option.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.The persistence of tragic choice, documented from Sophocles through Bernard Williams, constitutes empirical evidence that pluralism at the choice level reflects irreducible foundational plurality, not mere complexity.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Sign in or register to share your perspective on this statement.

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.

    Topics

    Consequentialism

    Related

    A theory that denies intrinsic value to intermediate goods is monist at every le...If intermediate values were truly derivable from one foundational value, rationa...If knowledge is only valuable because it produces pleasure, then knowledge-witho...Incommensurability between values like friendship and justice cannot be dissolve...
    +5 moreShow less
    Intermediate values that derive worth entirely from a foundational value are mer...Pluralism at the level of ordinary choice is compatible with monism at the found...Some theories claim there is fundamentally one value, such as pleasureThe persistence of tragic choice, documented from Sophocles through Bernard Will...These same theories claim that intermediate values such as knowledge and beauty ...

    Similar

    If such a more basic value exists, then the pluralist has not located ...84%These same theories claim that intermediate values such as knowledge a...78%Teleological theories are not, strictly speaking, theories about value...77%Pluralist theories of value are either explanatorily inadequate or hav...77%

    Source

    AI-extracted1/3 agreementValid
    SEP: value-pluralism
    View source passageHide passage
    This picture brings us back to the distinction between foundational and non-foundational pluralism. Notice that the monist theories being imagined here are foundationally monist, because they claim that there is fundamentally one value, such as pleasure, and they are pluralist at the level of ordinary choice because they claim that there are intermediate values, such as knowledge and beauty, which are valuable because of the amount of pleasure they produce (or realize, or contain—the exact rela
    Extraction notes

    Validity: Extracted via Max plan + API grounding/validity checks

    Details

    Type
    claim
    Perspectives
    3 (1 for, 2 against)
    Edits
    1 edit