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    It is not the case that The causal principles that everything must have a cause and that no effect can have perfections not in its cause are foundational and cannot be denied without rejecting that nothing can come from nothing

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    • 1.Modern quantum mechanics provides empirically grounded cases of uncaused events at the subatomic level, such as radioactive decay, undermining the universal scope of the causal maxim.
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    • 2.The Scholastic perfection-transfer principle assumes a univocal relationship between cause and effect, but Aquinas himself acknowledged analogical predication, which severs the strict entailment that effects must share perfections with their causes.
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    • 3.Lucretius invoked 'nothing from nothing' to deny divine creation entirely, meaning the principle is compatible with naturalism and does not uniquely support theistic causal claims.
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    • 1.Hume demonstrated in the Treatise that the causal maxim 'everything has a cause' is neither intuitively nor demonstrably certain, since we can conceive of an object beginning to exist without a cause without logical contradiction.
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    • 2.A principle that admits of conceivable exceptions cannot serve as a foundational, self-evident axiom upon which metaphysical systems of divine causation are built.
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    • 1.Everything must have a cause or ground for its existence
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    • 2.No effect can have any perfection that is not also in its cause
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    • 3.The principle that nothing can come from nothing is acknowledged even by atheists such as Lucretius
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