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    Those who die in infancy or never develop into minimally ... — Carmelics
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    Those who die in infancy or never develop into minimally rational agents also deserve condemnation along with the rest of the human race.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.The whole human race was condemned in its apostate head (Adam) by a divine judgment so just that even if not a single member of the race were ever saved from it, no one could rail against God's justice.
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    • 2.This condemnation applies even to those who never personally commit any offense against God.
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    • 1.Moral desert requires the capacity for morally significant choice; beings incapable of rational agency cannot be proper objects of punitive condemnation.
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    • 2.Inherited guilt without personal agency violates the principle of individual moral responsibility foundational to retributive justice since Ezekiel 18:20 and Kant's ethics.
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    • 3.A just God, by classical theistic definition, cannot impose condemnation where the necessary conditions for culpability are absent.
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    • 1.Augustine's own doctrine of original sin as inherited corruption, not merely imputed guilt, implies condemnation tracks a transmitted moral disease rather than deserved punishment for a personal act.
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    • 2.If condemnation derives from inherited corruption rather than personal offense, the doctrine collapses into a form of strict liability incompatible with the retributive framework the supporting argument invokes.
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    • 3.Pelagius and later Arminius argued that divine justice requires that no soul be condemned for a sin it had no volitional participation in, a position with robust support in the Reformed tradition's own internal debates.
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    The ideas of heaven and hell are also closely associated with the religious idea of salvation, which in turn rests upon a theological interpretation of the human condition. Even the non-religious can perhaps agree that, for whatever reason, we humans begin our earthly lives with many imperfections and with no (conscious) awareness of God. We also emerge and begin making choices in a context of ambiguity, ignorance, and misperception, and behind our earliest choices lie a host of genetically determined inclinations and environmental (including social and cultural) influences. As young children,...

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